Sunday, January 24, 2016

KARMA---YOURS AND MINE

Wayne Dyer once wrote that whatever anyone does to you is their karma.....How you react to what it is they have said or done is your own karma. I have thought about that statement often these past few months. I have to agree with him on that. I know there are times in all of our lives when someone will do or say something to you that immediately strikes your emotions in a very hurtful way. When I was younger my first reaction to an event like that was to immediately try to strike back. Either to defend my beliefs or to "get even". Thankfully over the years I have learned to instead try to remember that my reaction will determine my own karma. I try my best to not react at all but if I do I try to do it in  a kind loving, and positive manner. Now I admit that I am not always able to do things that way but when I do react with anger to anyone I then get upset with myself for not being able to "live" my belief. I am getting better at it and one day I hope to get to the point where I can just experience a negative attack on  myself by not reacting at all. This human ego self I try to keep under control but man, it sure is hard to do at times. I might suggest that you take a close look at yourself and see how you are reacting when someone hurts you in some way. I truly believe that if we learn to quit trying to react in anger we will then not have to face some negative karma in the future. We can't change anyone but ourselves. But we can make our lives easier if we learn to live from unconditional love for everyone. And that includes the ones who have hurt us the most. I hope all of you folks will have a most blessed new week just begun. Give love, accept love, be love. It really is as simple as that. At least in my personal opinion. Bless you all!

26 comments:

deepian said...

Indeed we can't change anyone but ourselves. Great post Ron. I love the subject of karma - the more we understand karmic law the easier life becomes, and the more sense everything makes - at least, that is my experience so far. Anger - as with any destructive or selfish emotion - can only be truly conquered at source - that is, by eliminating the initial thoughts that result in the anger. If I am already annoyed in my mind, then I have already created a negative karmic balance - as we all are subconsciously (or even consciously) affected by each other's thoughts. And although the result will be much worse if I act it out, whether through angry words - or, even worse, violent actions - I will also create psychological problems for myself later if I bottle up thoughts of rage now. So the trick (and it is indeed tricky!) is to not have the initial angry thought, the trigger, in the first place. This involves understanding that it is ME who creates such thoughts, and not the other people or circumstances to which I am reacting. They are always MY thoughts, and it is MY responsibility to change my thinking. This can indeed be hard work, but it is certainly possible, and well worth working on IMO. The result, with time and effort, is a feeling of relaxed and loving detachment - seeing the behaviour and opinions of others as separate from me, and being able to remain stable in divine loving consciousness regardless of the dramatic scenes that are occurring around me. Such a loving consciousness will automatically produce positive and beneficial results in the events of my life and interactions with others, and everything becomes easy and flows naturally. Having experienced even just glimpses of this divine consciousness, it becomes easier to motivate myself to work further on making such a consciousness permanent. A sense of humour is a great ally in this! Love and light to you Ron, as always. And thanks for your regular posts - I always gain something from them even when I don't comment on them. Namaste.

captron52 said...

Hello Ian So good to hear from you again. You stated exactly the way I see karma. You explained it perfectly as I see it. Thank you so very much for sharing these thoughts and truths with all of us. I am always amazed at how my blogger friends can read what I say and then explain it lots better than I can. I really do appreciate that so very much! And thank you Ian for the kind words. I am looking forward to reading more of your thoughts when you find time to write. Sure hope you and yours are feeling great and that your life is filled with much love, peace, and joy!

deepian said...

Thanks Ron for your kind good wishes, and I hope for the same for you. You remain a source of love, joy, and inspiration in my life, and I thank you for doing what you do.

captron52 said...

Ditto Ian. You and all my friends on here play such an important part in my life. I bless you and all the others. I am truly a blessed man!

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Namaste brother Ron, the concept of Karma originates from the eastern philosophies. We find Karma espoused in various flavours from Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and even Taoism. For me the ideology is marred by theology. It, for the most part has become a subtle carrot and stick paradigm. I remember well reading Ian's post on Karma. I did not agree with his sentiments, moreover, I felt Ian has fallen into the debt balance trap. I wrote an essay a few years back which is in my blogsite archives, I believe it is entitled "Karma... a tale of soft deceit." The essay, of course, will provide a more comprehensive sense of my position.

I wanted to post my sentiments to Ian, however, at that time he was in his minimalist stage and had shut down his comment section. Considering the wealth of respect, I have for Ian, as well, his spiritual presence, I cannot subscribe to this particular ideology. To wit, I hope Ian returns to your post to consider this brief rebuttal. Karma is used by religious theology to ask adherents to consider the importance of loving thy brother under all conditions. The ideology, as captured by most, is simple. What goes around comes around. Treat your brother with ill will and you will create a debt which, in the cycle of birth death and rebirth, will be repaid. Or perhaps this Karmic debt will be repaid in ones’ own lifetime.

Here is the problem with Karma brothers. Karma separates and divides that which in no way can be separated or divided.

1./ We are a singularity; we only appear to be separate. Ergo the EgoSelf illusion of separation is being fed by the consideration of debt balance. Whenever we feed the ego we move away from the truth of GodSelf.

2./ Karma introduces judgment whereas, one act becomes more valuable, appropriate or acceptable than another. This ideology stands in stark contrast to the truth of duality. New agers, religious dogma from all the aforementioned religions, embrace the inherent will to express love, I like that. However, in the process of seeking love, they can't help but judge the opposite of love. When they do, they cast shadows on the other half of duality. What they miss is they are that other half.

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Christopher Dos Santos said...

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3./ Balance is the end game of karma. People see karma as weighing right against wrong, good against bad. They feel right is the winning side which allows them the comfort of imagining there is justice in the world. Justice comes to the assailant in the form of retribution. This is the exact opposite of what they should be seeing. If anything brothers, the one who rides the rails of fear, bad, evil, wrong, commits the so called crimes, is in fact the one who should be rewarded most with our love. Whenever I see another existing in darkness, I wish to love them, even more than my brethren like yourselves who live in light. You are so fortunate to own light, especially in the capacity you gentlemen do. To me if there were karma then the portrayals of evil would be rewarded in this life, or another life if you believe in that silliness, with an abundance of love. This ideology is the basis for unconditional love.

There are other arguments I may take to buttress my position, however, I believe you get my drift brothers. Remember, we can never judge, we can never see justice, we can never seek retribution. All we can logically do is LOVE. Brother Ron you remind us if this constantly. Think of your position when you wish to seek karma set upon your brother! See the greater I AM brothers. Love all of manifest reality. Embrace the most beautiful and divine dance of darkness and light for nothing could be more incredible. Imagine an aspect of yourselves has chosen the pain of darkness so that you may bask in the joy of light, this is duality brothers. Please do not wish justice upon those who have suffered in darkness, UNLESS, said justice comes in the form of an abundance of love.

In Lak'ech brothers, I am another yourself....

deepian said...

Chris - if you see reincarnation as "silliness" then you will of course struggle with some of the implications and results of "karmic law". And, conventional depictions of "karma" have themselves been twisted over the centuries and millennia to suit particular religious dogmas. To make the situation even worse, modern widespread western use of terms such as "yoga" and "karma" have debased the meanings of these in the minds of most, such that the original meanings have been obscured and forgotten about. "Yoga" means union (typically with God i.e. the divine oneness), and "karma" - as you know Chris, as I just read it in the blog post you refer to - simply means action (which in this case includes thoughts, i.e. mental action, and words spoken) - in effect, anything that I (or you) the soul creates.

The "law of karma" is simply that whatever we give out to the cosmos is returned to us by the cosmos, such that balance is always sought and returned to . Everything that we experience is a direct result of our prior actions. Our every intention comes back to us - whether to haunt us, or to uplift us, or whatever, depends on the nature of that intention. We simply get what we give. When, where, and how, is a different issue - and karmic return can take place on other planes of existence than the physical plane - but that is irrelevant to the basic concept, that whatever we create, we will experience the consequences of, and that whatever we experience, we have already created. Accordingly we, as divine beings, are personally responsible for every experience we have . Nothing to do with duality! Indeed is rather an expression of the oneness of all - the recognition that we are all one means that whatever we do to others we are also doing to ourselves. I hope that helps.

captron52 said...

Thanks guys for your thoughts and commentary on the subject of Karma. I understand what you say Christopher. Personally I wish no "bad" Karma on anyone (except when I fail to keep my ego out of the way). And I'm sure I probably do that more than I even realize. But I am continually working on myself so that I may become the human being I wish to be. Or rather should I say working to realize I am already that person I want to be even when I can't see it. But as for Karma itself I do believe that all of my actions will bring back to me the words, acts, and whatever else I may put out into the One Mind. I do not think we reincarnate back on this 3d plane after so called death so that we may reap our Karman from this life. So I suppose my belief is that we reflect back to ourselves what ever we put out. Life is a mirror. I condemn no one to any fate based on their actions as I perceive them. But I do think their "mirror" will reflect back to them what they do or say. Thanks again my friends. I continue to learn much needed truths from both of you.

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Namaste brothers, gotta love a good philosophical debate especially with friends. Of course brother Ian I must preface my comments with the reminder of how much I respect your views. Firstly reincarnation and why I see it as a silly spiritual representation. Seeing the world trough the EgoSelf filter we always want to identify with this 'personal self' moreover, we want to believe the 'soul' or iteration of self moves through the ages in a variety of iterations. Ergo, reincarnation, whereas, the representation of self reappears at a later time in the form of an 'incarnation'. The reason why this breaks my philosophical back is that it encourages, as well promulgates, two fundamental illusions. That being time and space or separation if you will. The aspect of separation I have already spoke upon. The GodSelf truth of consciousness is singular wherefore the Egoself truth of physicality is duplicity or separateness. Looking to quantum physics, deep esoteric truth we KNOW the GodSelf reality is the only true reality, the EgoSelf reality is fictitious. As Einstein so eloquently states, "Reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one." There is no separate me from you it only appears that way. SO>>> if we know the separate self is an illusion how can we then anticipate that this separate self would incarnate as another separate self in a later time. Would this not mean we are crossing the esoteric planes by overlaying illusion upon truth. Ergo, a silly concept to anticipate.

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Christopher Dos Santos said...

Second, the illusion of time. We, from an EgoSelf perspective, see time as linear. Therefore, we say this body, this soul, this spirit, will come to an end >>> then >>> another incarnation will unfold at a later time. Again, if we look at quantum reality, we see that not only is physicality (or space) an illusion but so is its bedfellow time. Esoterically we know the same to be true. Time is yet another EgoSelf filter which is very convincing but unsupportable from a scientific or deep spiritual/esoteric perspective. The world appears 'out there' but it is not. Truth is the world is eternally created anew by the GodSelf observer. Deep spiritual truth speak of time as an eternal moment of NOW! What does this NOW moment look like. Well, it is not linear, we know that because the entire time/space continuum is a reflection of EgoSelf (Albeit a very convincing one)

Dispatching with the illusion of incarnations! Let's look at Karma. I wholeheartedly agree Ian when you say concepts of Karma have, over time, been severely bastardized by religious and dogma. You are absolutely correct to suggest Karma in its true sense is merely a reflection of action. There is not good or bad affiliated with the word, IT JUST IS! The problem is religions like Buddhism, Hinduism, Janism and others need a carrot and stick to secure the adherents within their domain. These eastern religions wish to reveal occulted information whereby, they wish to teach the adherent that God is an aspect of self. Yahoo.. the Abrahamic religion do not go this far, they keep the God separated from the self by doing so the Abrahamic God becomes the JUDGE, which of course is the ultimate carrot/stick paradigm. Follow your GOD or you will surely perish. Eastern religions present the GOD as am extension of self ergo they do not have the big stick needed to corral the adherent. Hmmm.... what to do. Well, they use karma and incarnation as the carrot stick paradigm. Be a good boy and you next life will be rewarded.

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Christopher Dos Santos said...

What you are defining as Karma brother Ian is really the "Law of attraction". We are GodSelf creators. Accordingly, whatever we hold in our heart becomes our reality. If I hold anger in my heart, I will emotionally fuel anger with thoughts and feelings. These anger heart pulses will permeate my thought paradigm, as a result, I will dispense anger unto my reality. This dispensation can be called Karma, of this I agree. Even dated Sanskrit Vedic lore of 4,000 years past isolates this as Karma. If my Karma is ANGER I will be telling the universe this is my desire, therefore my reality will become infused with the reality as defined from >>> the heart >>> to the feelings >>>> to the emotions >>>> to the thoughts >>>> to the words and actions >>> to the created reality. Therefore, I have created the KARMA of ANGER.

Where I take argument brother, is in Karma as represented in the form of DEBT BALANCE GOOD BAD.... These attachments to Karma are the very distortions of which you mentioned. The sullying of truth by religious dogma, required to enslave and dominate the religious follower. Correct me if I am wrong brother, but the post you made on Karma was based primarily in karmic debt and the need to resolve the debt or at least be aware of creating an imbalance when one embraces aspects of fear/hate juxtaposed to love. This is the essence of Buddhism, of which I completely deny as spiritual truth.

In closing brother Ian, you know how much I love and respect you. It is not my position to suggest your philosophy is wrong, it is merely my intention to, most respectfully, place my philosophy in its path so that we may both grow from the making of a philosophical contrast.

In Lak' ech, brothers, these debates are so very wonderful, this is philosophy in action, I love it.

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Brother Ron, in answer to your recent comment. Of course I know you do not wish upon anyone ill will. This is not who you are. However, I have read all of the published works of the late Wayne Dyer. His philosophy was far from philosophically refined. Undoubtedly an intelligent man, yet he often crossed the esoteric.physical plane. When I say this, I mean to suggest he was confused by Buddhism, as is very often the case of those who learn from the mind without the deep shamanic knowledge gained from an ability to leave the mind and experience the GODSELF in the total absence of EGOSELF presence. There is a massive difference between knowing you are GOD and experiencing you are GOD. A great example of another of the "Oprah gang" is Eckhart Tolle. Eckhart experienced himself as GOD, this knowledge was obvious when you read his work especially "The Power of Now".

Dyer, in presenting Karma used to constantly speak of karmic debt, karmic balance, as well, how it relates to reincarnation. These ideologies are just not right, not according to my philosophy. You dear brother did not speak of this imagery until late in your post. In fact, knowing Dyer's work, I was amazed you did not. Instead, (miraculously so), you spoke of Karma in its true sense where, as brother Ian so accurately stated. Karma is merely action. Whatever you feel in your heart is KARMA. Inevitably whatever is in your heart will be reflected by your words and actions, this entire Godself manifestation is the ACT OF KARMA.

Then you said this "I truly believe that if we learn to quit trying to react in anger we will then not have to face some negative karma in the future"

When I read those words (not have to face negative karma in the future) I said to myself, no brother, this is not my truth. Karma is something that happens from the heart in the moment of now. It has no basis in FUTURE. You can say the karma in your heart creates your world (This is also the law of attraction which you could easily call the law of karma), but you cannot tag Karma with words like FUTURE OR NEGATIVE! Karma is just a reflection of the heart of God. All reflections of the heart of GOD are divine, all are equal.

This has been a lovely time for me brothers. I cannot thank you both enough. I love you both deeply and consider myself so very fortunate you are both an important part of my life.

In Lak' ech, brother Ian, brother Ron, my love to you both...

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Brother Ian, as an aside, I have invited our brother Sito to join in the discussion. His viewpoint will add an eastern flavour to our conversation. Moreover, I have invited him so that you and he should meet. I believe you will come to love our dear brother Sito as he will you. Please return to this thread until you should make his acquaintance.

In Lak' ech, with respect and admiration...

captron52 said...

Hi Christopher Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your love with us. I do agree that my sense of Karma is actually the Law of Attraction. I guess I have trouble when I put my thoughts into words. Even though I try to explain I often times cannot express in words what I am thinking. That is just one more reason I rely on folks such as you, Ian, and Sito. Plus many others. Like you stated I really don't believe in the "future". Everything is always in this One Eternal Moment. I wholeheartedly agree that whatever we think be it love, anger, or whatever does determine one's Karma. I don't believe that it is something that we reap in the "future" We always reap what we put out. Therefore, I continue to work on myself every moment to carefully watch what I am thinking or saying. But given that I realize I have such a long way to go to learn to keep my Ego Self out of the way. But since my ego is a part of my humanity(or illusion of humanity) I suppose it is ok if I try to allow the ego to receive just enough attention so it doesn't keep trying to be back in charge of my actions. As long as I'm expressing as a human being I will always be learning something new. At least I hope so! Guess I can't expect myself or anyone else to do anything except do the best we can with what we got. Man, I sure am happy that I have good folks such as yourself who can help keep me centered. Thanks my friend. Thanks to all of you!

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Namaste brother Ron, I never try to nit pick, but I do enjoy clarity. Additionally, I very much enjoy philosophical debate. Funny thing Ron, those who live in fear/hate never seem to feel the need to depart from their path.

Yet, those who embrace love, almost always seem to continually try to hone their loving presence. You, my dear brother, above myself, as well, above all others I am acquainted with, represent a the desire to completely dedicate yourself to embracing love. Never have I encountered a person so committed to being, sharing, embracing love. This most beautiful trait of yours I greatly admire. I hold you as a beacon Ron. By your dedication, by your actions, you continually teach me, remind me, to try and be at least a fraction as committed as are you.

Ego, in the form of illusion may prey upon you brother, however, your commitment smothers this delusion with love. Whereas Ego from an illusion perspective preys less upon me, however, my diminished commitment to love, visa vis yours, leaves me wanting. The lesson to be learned is that it is not what you know that matters it is how you choose to act.Your path is beautiful brother, as I mentioned, it represents a constant lesson of which I greatly appreciate.

By the by, I have been yearning to telephone you as promised. However of late I almost always seem to be behind the eight ball with work. When the smoke clears I will reach out. Please never hesitate to ring me, especially after 3pm your time.

In Lak' ech, brother Ron, prosper with love... live with joy...

deepian said...

Chris and Ron - thank you for your feedback, and further comment. I suspect and hope that, the more we get into the depths of things, the more we will realise that we are essentially in agreement. Of course we all have differing perspectives.

Chris: as I see it, it is the eternal divine self that incarnates in one or more bodies. It is not that any false ego-self does so - the false self will disintegrate (typically) after the body is abandoned by the divine self.

The divine self itself has two inseparable aspects - the being (the essence - yin) and the soul body (the expansion - yang). At the level (consciousness) of being, we are all one - all the same - no separation. However the soul bodies, albeit identical in form (egg-shaped translucent), do vary in personality - as each soul body is an aggregation of all of the cosmic experiences of that one divine self - the sum of experiences is the unique personality of that divine self. So it is at this level of consciousness (soul) that the illusion of separation originates. And this divine personality of the soul body is beyond time and thereby eternal - this is the link (persistence) between incarnations.

As regards the "carrot and stick", I am with you, Chris - and you too Ron - in that: the rewards for true spiritual progress are immediate - we experience them now, in this life. To hope for "jam tomorrow" in exchange for suffering today (the carrot), or to be manipulated by fear (the stick) are both misguided approaches, IMO.

"What you are defining as Karma brother Ian is really the 'Law of attraction'." - yes, though the term "law of attraction" has also been badly debased by modern materialist approaches (e.g. The Secret), and seems to be even more widely misunderstood now than karma...

I agree that the representation of karma in accounting terms (debt, credit, balance) is over-simplistic and dualistic, and may cause more misunderstanding than illumination! I will think twice before using this analogy again!

A final aside on karma: karmic return can manifest (typically in "the future") as thoughts, feelings, conversation, or physical actions of others - in "real life", in dreams, in visions - that is, in a great many ways. But we can also circumvent such return through remorse - simply by sincerely regretting an action that has hurt others, we can balance that karma. We can also clear ("burn away") karmic imbalance through divine consciousness (God consciousness) - this is the most direct method. If we are constantly in divine consciousness - the embodiment of divine love - then karmic return becomes irrelevant to us.

Dark Star said...

Hello my bothers. I've been waiting for a discussing like this, to awaken awareness. The only moment you will ever be aware of truth, is when you realize this 3D life is a lie. Christopher has explained thess concepts on many occasions very well. There is no debate about the knowing, about understand everything...feel it. The Force is with you, is not just a Star Wars metaphor, its truth! Able to do anything. We are not this human form, we are not we, we are one (1) (I). There is no god, we are god, I am god, I am 1.

This is not a defense. This is to share understanding of the truth of our reality. It's whatever we fucking want it to be...because it's all a lie! As long as we believe in the lie, we STAY HERE, in prison. May I add something to the discussion? A brother of ours says...

"Humanity … the manifestation of the Ego and enemy of Truth"

"Awareness, the eternal body of wisdom, never dies and is not carried away to some far off heavenly shore. It stays right here, in the original awareness state and takes back all the power that was so cruelly manipulated out of its reach through hypnosis.

The soul includes the body you physically see and it also includes the body we don’t normally think of as being visible. The unseen body is the spiritual body that resides within our physical but also extends into that realm immediately outside the physical, called the aura. It is these 2 bodies that are the soul, or sol, or light energy, and this is not who we are.

The created, or conjured, physical and spiritual elements reside in our fabricated soul, which is our created light body, hence the word soul, or sol (sun). Our whole experience and seemingly conscious awareness (which attempts to appear as truth, wisdom and light energy) takes place in our illusory soul. We don’t really have a soul. We simply have the illusion of a soul. This is the manipulation tactic of religion and science. Attempting to cause humanity to understand and define something that simply isn’t there. Awareness doesn’t need a soul.

The subliminal hidden within the word REINCARNATION refers to something entirely different from what the word seems to imply. Reincarnation is not referring to the departed souls of the dead, who are sent back to this 3D illusory plane to struggle on towards a higher form of enlightenment. Reincarnation is referring to the wars in the Middle East, and particular, to IRAN and IRAQ, that were designed to be initiated after the World Trade Center attack of 2001. This was the plan and the agenda of the luciferian Thought Process from the initiation of the conjuring exercise."

Dark Star said...

And "How about this is ALL just one BIG LIE." "Through the manipulation instilled by the THOUGHT PROCESS, the EGO / EYE elitist worshippers perpetuating this THINKING MASQUERADE, selfishly enslave and imprison on behalf of the luciferian egregore (egr ego ore) entities." This our thinking, which are nout our thought but our thought entities controlling thoughts in this 3D state) Yes, all of humanity!

"REINCARNATION = REIGN-RAC-NATION = REIGN ROCK = I-REIGN I-ROCK NATION = IRAN IRAQ NATION"

The countries of Iran and Iraq form a great portion of the original illusory Cradle of Civilization. For this reason, to bring these previous subliminals relating to the original primordial mound to a conscious level, the wars in Iraq and Iran followed close on the heals of the World Trade Center attack. These events re-established the notion of a New World and a New Age within our illusory 3D realm, and the suggestion spawned a desire within the masses for the Old to pass away, and a New to rise up. These wars in these countries, with these names, suggest subliminally of REINCARNATION, or the REBIRTH, the concept of being BORN AGAIN.

Reincarnation is so obviously a myth that it hardly bears mentioning. The light energy that forms our 3 dimensional form is a conjured up illusion and is not who or what we are. Our spirit is also a fabrication of this illusion. SPIRIT is nothing more than ENERGY that’s invisible to the naked eye, and is the product, the manifestation, of the luciferian Thought Process. If we shed our physical body and experience the ILLUSION of DEATH before our 3D illusory life experience becomes aware of our Original Wisdom State, we still shed the number/language systems that appeared to keep us locked in the Trance State, and unaware. Upon shedding the physical body we are immediately aware of our Original Eternal Wisdom State. The only draw back is that it was of no benefit to us as we experienced this present 3 dimensional life existence."

We are already perfect, pure, eternal and ALL KNOWING. And WE are NOT this body of humanity, neither are we this 3D illusory mass of energy and spirit. We are WISDOM! We KNOW ALL! We have to learn NOTHING! If it wasn't for the THOUGHT PROCESS that indoctrinates the elitists, that IT, the THOUGHT PROCESS itself has conjured up, we would be AWARE and PRESENT and completely reconnected to eternally drinking from the fountain of wisdom in our Paradise State. For we are the Paradise state!

Love....Jedi

Dark Star said...

"Personally I wish no "bad" Karma on anyone (except when I fail to keep my ego out of the way)."

Ron, the point is you don't put aside your ego! Ego is this thought process. therefore all thinking is ego! You can ignore ego, or bye pass it to some degree, once you are aware of the true source of the universe. The ability to comprehend all the mysteries of the universe and to walk free of this “hellish” prison. The terms “hell”, “heaven”, “judgment”, “good”, “bad”, “right”, “wrong”, etc., all of this absolute lunacy, and tools use a Mindset which functions completely in the realm of hypnotic suggestion, … none of which is valid, or real, or of any worth.

The Thought Process, which is hypnotic suggestion, is the luciferian agenda. The term “lucifer” simply means “light bringer, or light bearer”, and the “light” is the “lie”

"There is but One Eternal Moment, in spite of what may seem to be the passing of time. The foolishness of the concept of time. It's evident that, what has puzzled scientists and intellectuals studying the human brain, and in particular those studying MEMORY, who can find no portion of the brain that stores MEMORY. The reason being, MEMORY DOES NOT EXIST. What we look upon as MEMORY are simply the sensations of the whole life experience being played out in this One Eternal Moment. When certain words are spoken, asking you to recall a certain event, this acts as a button pusher, much like on a tall skyscraper elevator, that obediently goes to the correct floor, observes the sensation associated with that floor, and then regurgitates those sensations in response to the query. All floors are located one above the other, however, no time passes and no space is involved in separating the floors. Its all just there, within the trance state, as long as the luciferian egregore allows the layers to be accessed. The layers are there, containing the information concerning individual illusory experiences, but they’re not necessarily allowed to be accessed, for the simple reason of using this as yet another form of stress and anxiety to instill fear and disease.

Because of the existence of this Eternal Moment, no such thing as Memory is required or has any basis in reality. Memory implies the passage of Time, and recalling past events. However, there is no such thing as Time, and therefore, no such thing as remembering anything that occurred within the concept of Time. All of which is simply illusory."

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Namaste DeepIan, this last rebuttal to our exchange was, in my humble opinion, esoterically perfect. Words can often become twisted, I see now you carry absolute clarity on the matter. I believe Ian there has been a great divide between your previous thoughts and this message. Undoubtedly, I have misunderstood your stance.

Regarding the law of attraction, your sentiments are most accurate, so much so, I find myself reticent to even use the phrase. Unfortunately, the overlay of falseness society has instilled in most esoteric principals, as well, terminology, has so sullied the waters of conversation it is neigh on impossible to converse with clarity. All too often, I find the social packaging of terms like love, karma, incarnation, as well the dirtying of philosophic ideologies as illustrated by our reference to the law of attraction, represent a burden to the understanding of ones philosophical position.

Brother Ian, as always, I bow to your acumen, clarity and abundant philosophy.

Respectfully,

Christopher...

captron52 said...

Hi Christopher Thank you for the kind words. About the only thing I do know for sure is that as long as I am "living" as a human being I may as well try my best to just LOVE. Talking with all of you about philosophical views reminds me of just how little I do know. Hey Dark Star, great to see you again. Thanks for stopping in and joining the conservation. I read your latest blog entry and watched a little of the movie you posted. I plan on getting back to see some more soon. Thanks for sharing that also. I'm still not able to grasp the concept that we are just in some kind of matrix or computer images. I do accept that anything is possible but if I am only enlightenment and don't have either a soul or ego, then what am I doing here? I can't see any purpose just observing. I sure don't have the knowledge or understanding to just sit back and wait til my Illusionary body fades away and then return to my "real" state. I figure while I am here I may as well interact with others even if it is all just a "dream" or illusion. Sometimes I begin to overthink things and that is when I start to lose my "reasons" for existing. I make my head spin so many times it ain't even funny. Guess what I am trying to say is that no matter how much I hear, read, see, or feel the only thing that makes any sense to me is to just give love, accept love and to be love. The more simple I keep things in my mind the better off I am. At least I think so. I do love all of you sharing your wisdom so freely with me and others. To all of you I say keep on keeping on and that I love you!

Christopher Dos Santos said...

Brother Dark Star, Ian. Missed you in my world the year past. Hope you are well, will reply to your comments anon.

In Lak' ech, bretheren, great thread...

Dark Star said...

Ron...you say..."but if I am only enlightenment and don't have either a soul or ego, then what am I doing here? I can't see any purpose just observing."

You are correct...

The PURPOSE OF HUMANITY is NO PURPOSE!

To BECOME AWARE that the whole body of HUMANITY IS AN ILLUSION, an utter fabrication, that the 3D experience, and the conjured up body of humanity, IS the veil of deceit that makes it utterly impossible to rationally conceive that it, humanity itself, is the deception keeping the disconnection from reality intact. This is what we must come to recognize.

(Enlightenment is a luciferian term that sounds and seems to speak of reconnection to wisdom, however wisdom and enlightenment have nothing in common).

Love by eliminating all fear in the Ego which is opposite to love. Getting rid of all fear means that only love remains. Be in the moment. Watch, wait and don't react.

"Winning this war is TOTALLY DO-ABLE. The luciferian egregore group of THINKERS have absolutely no power but what we give them as we consign our REALITY BASED WISDOM STATE over to their THOUGHT PROCESS and the HYPNOTIC AFFECT it creates and then manifests as the 3 dimensional LIFE EXPERIENCE.

What we accept and believe within this thought process, is what our illusory reality appears to be (this is so called Karma). As we disconnect from this emotional validation of everything 3D, (which doesn't mean we try to stop doing things in the 3 dimensional plane), we reconnect to our original eternal state of KNOWING ALL THINGS. Whether we do certain things, or not, in the 3D sense, is irrelevant, as all things 3D are just illusions, and one has no more value than the other. There is no good or bad, right or wrong, up or down, or black or white. The 3 dimensional plane is just an illusion of electrons, protons and neutrons buzzing around at break neck speed, creating the illusion of MATTER, TIME and SPACE. There is no such thing as MATTER! No such thing as TIME! And no such thing as SPACE!

Becoming aware of this, is the catalyst to breaking the TRANCE STATE, terminating HYPNOTIC CONTROL of our reality, and reconnecting to the ETERNAL PARADISE STATE, the state of power which we’ve never left, but have only become disconnected from awareness of that state because of the VEIL called this 3 dimensional life experience. The very form we exist in, within this 3 dimensional illusion, the form we refer to as our physical body and mind, is the very thing keeping us disconnected from PARADISE. The only thing that needs to be accomplished to reconnect to PARADISE, is to become aware of this realization that everything is an illusory subliminal hypnotic suggestion, entirely designed to misdirect who we really are, with sinister controlling intent, directing us away from our power and strength, and away from our eternal reality state of wisdom."

Dark Star said...

The secret to who we are? It's quit simple actually. No thinking or knowledge needed. The videos on my recent post help explain how our 3D world works through quantum physics & quantum mechanics. I didn't study quantum physics yet I understand it. It's easier to understand than you think and it's very revealing once you see it.

We are already in our Paradise State!

We are already perfect, pure, eternal and ALL KNOWING. And WE are NOT this body of humanity, neither are we this 3D illusory mass of energy and spirit. We are WISDOM! We KNOW ALL! We have to learn NOTHING! If it wasn't for the THOUGHT PROCESS that indoctrinates the elitists, that IT, the THOUGHT PROCESS itself has conjured up, we would be AWARE and PRESENT and completely reconnected to eternally drinking from the fountain of wisdom in our Paradise State. For we are the Paradise state!

The THOUGHT PROCESS is the TRANCE STATE. All lies. The THOUGHT PROCESS is the 3D realm. Remaining emotionally connected to things of the 3 dimensional realm, keeps us in this TRANCE, and conversely, detaching emotionally from believing that any of this is real, allows the realization and power of the eternal state to be ours, RIGHT NOW.

captron52 said...

thanks Ian I understand what you say. If this is the case then I will be "dying" as fast as I can! If it all is just nothing then it doesn't really matter what I do. Maybe that is why I keep this nagging feeling that all I want to do is go home. Maybe that's why I feel so out of place in this world most of the time. Thanks for your feedback Ian!

Dark Star said...

Your welcome Ron.

lol. You don't have to go anywhere fast brother. Just be aware this not real. Our reactions (emotions) good, bad, etc just fuels the energy for the Matrix to continue. Neutrality & none belief in the lies/events. It denies the elites the ability to complete their plan & success. Awareness changes it. No worries. You'are doing just fine.

I've had that same sort of feeling since I was a child on this earth. I had asked these questions most these illusionary years... Why are we here? Who am I? Where do I come from? Now I know. It's time for everyone to know truth & awaken to who we are.

Yes Chris. Missed you too my brother. I'm actually closer to you now than ever before, living in Edmonton AB. Am a neighbor. I may be traveling to BC in a few months. Let's keep in contact. Be well.

Jedi